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Maria The Princess · Oct 25, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

we interview every new member to make sure that this is a mature and respectful player.

yes its a game, so we try to make sure our guildies enjoy their time rather then get frustrated over an immature teen spaming guild chat with cursings or whatever. this was we make sure that that person knows the guild rules (such as no cursing, begging etc.) After the recruit, there is a 2 weeks observation period to see how does it go with the new guy. if at least 2 officer are not happy we kick the player

Makkert · Oct 25, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

1. Bad recruitment proces
2. Applicants that don't inform themselves well before joining
3. in top level pvp: high tension environment where expectancelevel can be high
4. immaturity (below 18) of players

I guess those are the reasons for the phenonemon that is guildhopping.

Trader of Secrets · Nov 02, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

I have hopped through guilds a few times. Havent found a guild to my liking yet. But I nvr hopped that quickly. Mostly stay for at least a month or more, unless it absolutly CRAP.

I suggest actually asking ur invites what they expect in the guild. Or mayb during the interview your answers were vague or misinterpreted.

For example there was this one guild I remember joining. I asked "Does your guild to any group farming?" They reply, "Oh yea some of our guildmates do UW and if there is enough we FoW." Turns out no UW or FoW or any group farm or group activity. To the point, that answer is vague. Although I do understand that these interviews must be quick, but speed has its price.

Oh a GW forum · Nov 02, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45

I rarely stick to a guild more than a week, which is why I'm permenantly guildless. Most guilds, like the game, are full of annoying, needy, and just plain stupid players. When I find myself constantly annoyed by what people say in guild or allaince chat, I leave. I assume the same is for most other "guild hoppers".

Kusandaa · Nov 02, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Oh a GW forum

I rarely stick to a guild more than a week, which is why I'm permenantly guildless. Most guilds, like the game, are full of annoying, needy, and just plain stupid players. When I find myself constantly annoyed by what people say in guild or allaince chat, I leave. I assume the same is for most other "guild hoppers".

Which is why... ask questions before joining a guild; don't be afraid. Ask them what they're into (farming, FF, general PvP, GvG, etc) how old are their members, how mature and active they are, if their members are exp'ed or not, etc.

I'm gonna sound weird here, but take a look at the recruiter's name and way to spell. It doesn't ALWAYS apply, but can give you an overall look into the possible guild mentality. Keep in mind that guilds regroup people with similar interests; "Imma Pwn Ur Azz Bad" (bet a name like has been taken, sorry for the example; had to use something that sounded what an immature person might use) who "speekz liek a 12-yr-old" MIGHT be one... and you don't want annoying, immature 12-year-olds begging all the time for help because "teyh dun understand n needz it now plz!!11" >_> (not saying every 12-year-old is immature and annoying BTW).

Halmyr · Nov 03, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Oh a GW Forum, I agree with you. Even if I hate to admit it, I am a guild hopper( but I did finaly find a nice guild and now have been in it for a month.)
I've personaly been in more guilds that I can count, most of the time, people are inactive( only 2-3 people log on regulary). The guild Dies withing the week I join (it has append to me many times) or people are simply annoying beggers for help/money. I dont mind helping, but money, USE collectors weapon's, make your own, its not hard.

This is my second guild that I actualy like, they help me and I help them, no one begs either, I actualy did my first guild group in it, and that after 17 month of playing (I am serious: ninja: ).

Not all guild jumpers are there to annoy people, I guess many people just have a hard time finding the rigth guild.

Perkunas · Nov 03, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15

Why I have left guilds shortly after joining:

Not being told up front - we are PvP, GvG, or AB based. Even though I have Factions, I don't play it, not even for Faction or Luxon, or Kurzick points.

Only a few active people - A long list of members, most not on in over 2 weeks.

Not being acknowledged when saying hello, or not being answered when I ask questions. (takes more than 1 instance)

Helping people/guild and help not being returned. (I share freely what I have. I don't expect you to drop and run when I shout for help, but somewhere along the line ......)

These are reasons that I have formed my own 1-man guild.

Blade_Wolf · Nov 03, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Alright I've been in several guilds but i usually give them about a 1-3 days unless its really not working out. so far i've been through 6 guilds 1 of them being really good, and the only reason i've left that one was to start my own. But I didn't really see how hard it was to be a guild leader so i disbanded on top of that my officers never helped run the guild. I'm basically a guild hopper, i guess. But I'm in this guild right now, that just feels right. I feel a sense of purpose here, where as in my previous guilds it was just...it was just being in a guild. nothing more.
Now while i was in these guilds I wasn't a total useless player that never helped or anything. I was friendly and I tried to help other guildies out. But still i felt that i didn't belong, I usually gave most of the guilds about 2 days or so. But I left within 3 hours of my 4th guild because the one of the officers was really rude to other players and vulgar, so I left. I know its discouraging when people leave but I needed to find the right fit.

Sofonisba · Nov 03, 2006, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Blade_Wolf

Alright I've been in several guilds but i usually give them about a day unless its really not working out.

What? A guild had to show you everything they've got to offer in ONE DAY or less? Holy cannoli, no wonder people hop, if they believe one day is enough time to judge.

Relambrien · Nov 05, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

On the subject of age, there are three main reasons for an age requirement. I'm 15, so trust me when I say I know about age requirements ><

1) Maturity. Most people under the age of 16 are immature, and quite a few under 18 are as well. There are some exceptions (and I consider myself one), and I believe guilds should take this into account if focusing on maturity. At least give the applicant a chance to prove his or her maturity.
2) Qualification. Upper-tier PvP guilds do not want someone under 16 in their core 8-10 because that person will be ineligible to compete in any tournaments that the guild qualifies for. This is totally reasonable.
3) Community. A guild or alliance full of adults will feel more free to talk about "adult" issues than if a minor is in the group, as well. Having all members over a certain age allows for a more comfortable and relaxed atmosphere, since there is no need to worry about offending or messing up a minor. There aren't many guilds who put an age limit for this reason, but I can understand those that do.

With that out of the way, I never understood 15-minute guild hopping either. It certainly doesn't make sense from a GvG point of view, as faction gain from GvG is lessened for two weeks when you first join a guild. If I were to join a guild, I would give it at least a week to see whether or not I like it. And I would inform the guild leader of my intentions, as well. You can't understand everything by asking the recruiter questions, and the recruiter will likely bend the truth a little bit to make the guild sound more appealing. The best way to see whether or not you like a guild is to join it and see if you like it over a week's timespan.

Just be sure to let the recruiter know that you will make your decision whether or not to stay after a week or so. I would imagine upfront honesty would impress the recruiter.

Cats · Nov 06, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Makkert

4. immaturity (below 18) of players

I generally agree with your other points except this one which I thought would be a tad sweeping and unfair. I'm a 26 year-old gamer who's met 11 year-olds who put more thought into their speech and actions than 30+ year-olds. I've come to the conclusion that it isn't age that brings maturity, rather one is either born with it or not.

I've talked to a couple of guild leaders during my guild's search for good allies, and most of them have had the same comment - that there's a high chance of meeting weirdos, spammers and hoppers by blind advertisement over outposts. We've found by experience, that the best method of recruitment is over forums, inclusive of a trial period where the pending member will have to attend an event, be vouched for by the other current members or contribute one way or another to prove his worth to the guild. It'll also mean a lengthier process to getting members, but will certainly make for more reliable guildies who'll stick on a longer time than having quantity with no quality.

AncientLord · Nov 07, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Dont never invite random people, best invite only those that really want in ur guild. Party some while with them, see how they are acking/talking with others and behaving at pve or pvp. Then.......... (after some time) deside if he wants to join the guild. So you will see what member you will invite in guild. Try it.

And one point more, age 18+.

Regards.

Blade_Wolf · Nov 08, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

What? A guild had to show you everything they've got to offer in ONE DAY or less? Holy cannoli, no wonder people hop, if they believe one day is enough time to judge.

Did I say that? no, i didn't. they don't have to show me anything, i usually give guilds about 3 days before i decided if i want to stay but some of the guilds i've been in made me leave in one day because either the officers where rude or there was never anyone on. sure i said i give guilds about a day, but i meant i only give the guilds that i'm unsure of about a day, and i usually offer to pay the invite fee if it doesn't work out. but i've found my place in my current guild so what does it matter what i said? its in the past forget it.

milan · Nov 08, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I used to run a fairly successful PvE guild before I lacked the time to run it and handed it over to one of the officers, some of things we used to do to prevent guild hoppers joining were.

Never just invite - We would invite potential members on missions, quests and farming expeditions for a few days to a week with different guildies to give the person an idea of what we were like, and vice versa.

TS - While it wasn't a rule that everyone use TS, if they were totally unwilling to give it a go then it was a good sign that they weren't looking to be a integral part of the guild.

Introduce yourself posts. A post on our forums telling us a little about themselves, in the first instance this prevents the 'invite me' line when you just meet someone.

Never invite from ads in all or trade chat, we never actively went recruiting and generally found people we liked through pug'ing with them and keeping in touch for a while.

Never use Trade or All chat to promote your guild and look for members, you'll generally get the ones that are hoppers

Be very wary about players already in another guild looking to join yours, put a policy in place that before they can start the joining procedure (introductory post and joining your guild on groups) that they can't already be in a guild.

Sofonisba · Nov 08, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Blade_Wolf

Did I say that? no, i didn't. they don't have to show me anything, i usually give guilds about 3 days before i decided if i want to stay but some of the guilds i've been in made me leave in one day because either the officers where rude or there was never anyone on. sure i said i give guilds about a day, but i meant i only give the guilds that i'm unsure of about a day, and i usually offer to pay the invite fee if it doesn't work out. but i've found my place in my current guild so what does it matter what i said? its in the past forget it.

Before you edited your previous post, you did write "I give a guild about a day unless it's not working out."

In English, this means the following: a guild has one day only, and less than a day if it's bad.

I'm glad you found your place in a guild fit for you; but it is entirely appropriate to point out your (unedited) comments in a discussion about how and why people guild-hop, since you did it "in your past."

Blade_Wolf · Nov 10, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

Before you edited your previous post, you did write "I give a guild about a day unless it's not working out."

In English, this means the following: a guild has one day only, and less than a day if it's bad.

I'm glad you found your place in a guild fit for you; but it is entirely appropriate to point out your (unedited) comments in a discussion about how and why people guild-hop, since you did it "in your past."

Uhhh duh I know what i wrote, i'm not stupid. Whatever, why do you even care? Its not your buisness how I play the game or find a guild that fits me best.
Whatever lets just drop it and let the Guild Hopping discussion continue.

Well99 · Nov 11, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Perkunas

Why I have left guilds shortly after joining:

Not being told up front - we are PvP, GvG, or AB based. Even though I have Factions, I don't play it, not even for Faction or Luxon, or Kurzick points.

Only a few active people - A long list of members, most not on in over 2 weeks.

Not being acknowledged when saying hello, or not being answered when I ask questions. (takes more than 1 instance)

Helping people/guild and help not being returned. (I share freely what I have. I don't expect you to drop and run when I shout for help, but somewhere along the line ......)

These are reasons that I have formed my own 1-man guild.

LOL same here.To some guilds it is about the numbers.As soon as you join you become either part of the scenery or a tool.I dont expect much.A little common curtesy.I wont ask for help but I do give it.. a little notice and I'll jump in to help.It use to tick me off when I would join a guild and right off the bat you see no one helping others.The officers are too busy recruiting.Why recruit if you're going to lose folks because they are ingnored.
It seems to me that if you want a good guild you have to be willing to put effort out to working with your guild members.Not just your friends.I dont mean giving away loot or such.Teach new folks how to farm.Besides the 55 stuff.Better in the long run that way.
If you want people to stay than give them a reason.I have a 1 man guild also.Nice GH with storage.Main reason for it is those folks that constanly bother you if your not in a guild.

Sofonisba · Nov 11, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Blade_Wolf

Uhhh duh I know what i wrote, i'm not stupid. Whatever, why do you even care? Its not your buisness how I play the game or find a guild that fits me best.
Whatever lets just drop it and let the Guild Hopping discussion continue.

LOL chill please. I'm not criticizing you. You are correct, your playstyle is none of my business. However, the OP requested information re: guild hoppers, you claimed to be one, therefore your experiences are most relevant in this regard.

My original comments, expressing shock and dismay, were in reference to your unedited post. You may edit your post, but you may not change history.

I humbly suggest you take a more civilized tone in forum discussion. Remember, I did wish you well and still wish everyone well in finding a guild.

Alias_X · Nov 11, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

These days players don't join guilds for the help they can offer, they join them for immediate promotion/gold rewards.

It used to be thought of as ludicrous to pay someone to join a guild. Now that more guilds are offering rewards to members, potential members have come to expect this. I think we will see a trend of more and more being offered to potential members and more and more being demanded by them.

Blade_Wolf · Nov 12, 2006, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

LOL chill please. I'm not criticizing you. You are correct, your playstyle is none of my business. However, the OP requested information re: guild hoppers, you claimed to be one, therefore your experiences are most relevant in this regard.

My original comments, expressing shock and dismay, were in reference to your unedited post. You may edit your post, but you may not change history.

I humbly suggest you take a more civilized tone in forum discussion. Remember, I did wish you well and still wish everyone well in finding a guild.

I apologize for my rudeness, I got too defensive, No offense intended.
And I did appreciate the Good will, Thank you.

Nov 03, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20	#28
Blade_Wolf Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Redmond, Washinton Guild: [AIDA] Profession: A/Mo	Alright I've been in several guilds but i usually give them about a 1-3 days unless its really not working out. so far i've been through 6 guilds 1 of them being really good, and the only reason i've left that one was to start my own. But I didn't really see how hard it was to be a guild leader so i disbanded on top of that my officers never helped run the guild. I'm basically a guild hopper, i guess. But I'm in this guild right now, that just feels right. I feel a sense of purpose here, where as in my previous guilds it was just...it was just being in a guild. nothing more. Now while i was in these guilds I wasn't a total useless player that never helped or anything. I was friendly and I tried to help other guildies out. But still i felt that i didn't belong, I usually gave most of the guilds about 2 days or so. But I left within 3 hours of my 4th guild because the one of the officers was really rude to other players and vulgar, so I left. I know its discouraging when people leave but I needed to find the right fit. Last edited by Blade_Wolf; Nov 08, 2006 at 02:19 AM // 02:19..

Oct 25, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53	#21
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	we interview every new member to make sure that this is a mature and respectful player. yes its a game, so we try to make sure our guildies enjoy their time rather then get frustrated over an immature teen spaming guild chat with cursings or whatever. this was we make sure that that person knows the guild rules (such as no cursing, begging etc.) After the recruit, there is a 2 weeks observation period to see how does it go with the new guy. if at least 2 officer are not happy we kick the player

Oct 25, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07	#22
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	1. Bad recruitment proces 2. Applicants that don't inform themselves well before joining 3. in top level pvp: high tension environment where expectancelevel can be high 4. immaturity (below 18) of players I guess those are the reasons for the phenonemon that is guildhopping.

Nov 02, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32	#23
Trader of Secrets Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006	I have hopped through guilds a few times. Havent found a guild to my liking yet. But I nvr hopped that quickly. Mostly stay for at least a month or more, unless it absolutly CRAP. I suggest actually asking ur invites what they expect in the guild. Or mayb during the interview your answers were vague or misinterpreted. For example there was this one guild I remember joining. I asked "Does your guild to any group farming?" They reply, "Oh yea some of our guildmates do UW and if there is enough we FoW." Turns out no UW or FoW or any group farm or group activity. To the point, that answer is vague. Although I do understand that these interviews must be quick, but speed has its price.

Nov 02, 2006, 09:45 AM // 09:45	#24
Oh a GW forum Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Profession: W/	I rarely stick to a guild more than a week, which is why I'm permenantly guildless. Most guilds, like the game, are full of annoying, needy, and just plain stupid players. When I find myself constantly annoyed by what people say in guild or allaince chat, I leave. I assume the same is for most other "guild hoppers".

Nov 03, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33	#26
Halmyr Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada! eh! Guild: ~none~ Profession: W/Me	Oh a GW Forum, I agree with you. Even if I hate to admit it, I am a guild hopper( but I did finaly find a nice guild and now have been in it for a month.) I've personaly been in more guilds that I can count, most of the time, people are inactive( only 2-3 people log on regulary). The guild Dies withing the week I join (it has append to me many times) or people are simply annoying beggers for help/money. I dont mind helping, but money, USE collectors weapon's, make your own, its not hard. This is my second guild that I actualy like, they help me and I help them, no one begs either, I actualy did my first guild group in it, and that after 17 month of playing (I am serious: ninja: ). Not all guild jumpers are there to annoy people, I guess many people just have a hard time finding the rigth guild.

Nov 03, 2006, 05:15 AM // 05:15	#27
Perkunas Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my own little world, looking at yours Guild: Only Us[NotU] Profession: E/	Why I have left guilds shortly after joining: Not being told up front - we are PvP, GvG, or AB based. Even though I have Factions, I don't play it, not even for Faction or Luxon, or Kurzick points. Only a few active people - A long list of members, most not on in over 2 weeks. Not being acknowledged when saying hello, or not being answered when I ask questions. (takes more than 1 instance) Helping people/guild and help not being returned. (I share freely what I have. I don't expect you to drop and run when I shout for help, but somewhere along the line ......) These are reasons that I have formed my own 1-man guild.

Nov 05, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30	#30
Relambrien Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware, USA Guild: Error Seven Operators [Call] Profession: W/	On the subject of age, there are three main reasons for an age requirement. I'm 15, so trust me when I say I know about age requirements >< 1) Maturity. Most people under the age of 16 are immature, and quite a few under 18 are as well. There are some exceptions (and I consider myself one), and I believe guilds should take this into account if focusing on maturity. At least give the applicant a chance to prove his or her maturity. 2) Qualification. Upper-tier PvP guilds do not want someone under 16 in their core 8-10 because that person will be ineligible to compete in any tournaments that the guild qualifies for. This is totally reasonable. 3) Community. A guild or alliance full of adults will feel more free to talk about "adult" issues than if a minor is in the group, as well. Having all members over a certain age allows for a more comfortable and relaxed atmosphere, since there is no need to worry about offending or messing up a minor. There aren't many guilds who put an age limit for this reason, but I can understand those that do. With that out of the way, I never understood 15-minute guild hopping either. It certainly doesn't make sense from a GvG point of view, as faction gain from GvG is lessened for two weeks when you first join a guild. If I were to join a guild, I would give it at least a week to see whether or not I like it. And I would inform the guild leader of my intentions, as well. You can't understand everything by asking the recruiter questions, and the recruiter will likely bend the truth a little bit to make the guild sound more appealing. The best way to see whether or not you like a guild is to join it and see if you like it over a week's timespan. Just be sure to let the recruiter know that you will make your decision whether or not to stay after a week or so. I would imagine upfront honesty would impress the recruiter.

Nov 07, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#32
AncientLord Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Slovenia Guild: Battlecry Warlords Profession: R/	Dont never invite random people, best invite only those that really want in ur guild. Party some while with them, see how they are acking/talking with others and behaving at pve or pvp. Then.......... (after some time) deside if he wants to join the guild. So you will see what member you will invite in guild. Try it. And one point more, age 18+. Regards.

Nov 08, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18	#34
milan Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: BONE Profession: N/	I used to run a fairly successful PvE guild before I lacked the time to run it and handed it over to one of the officers, some of things we used to do to prevent guild hoppers joining were. Never just invite - We would invite potential members on missions, quests and farming expeditions for a few days to a week with different guildies to give the person an idea of what we were like, and vice versa. TS - While it wasn't a rule that everyone use TS, if they were totally unwilling to give it a go then it was a good sign that they weren't looking to be a integral part of the guild. Introduce yourself posts. A post on our forums telling us a little about themselves, in the first instance this prevents the 'invite me' line when you just meet someone. Never invite from ads in all or trade chat, we never actively went recruiting and generally found people we liked through pug'ing with them and keeping in touch for a while. Never use Trade or All chat to promote your guild and look for members, you'll generally get the ones that are hoppers Be very wary about players already in another guild looking to join yours, put a policy in place that before they can start the joining procedure (introductory post and joining your guild on groups) that they can't already be in a guild.

Nov 11, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11	#39
Alias_X Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005	These days players don't join guilds for the help they can offer, they join them for immediate promotion/gold rewards. It used to be thought of as ludicrous to pay someone to join a guild. Now that more guilds are offering rewards to members, potential members have come to expect this. I think we will see a trend of more and more being offered to potential members and more and more being demanded by them.